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	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Economics of Biodiversity - and why it matters by Saksittua 23.5.2010 &#171; Ajatuksia ensimmäisestä maailmasta</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/2010/05/the-economics-of-biodiversity-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-2266</link>
		<dc:creator>Saksittua 23.5.2010 &#171; Ajatuksia ensimmäisestä maailmasta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] identity campaigning » The Economics of Biodiversity &#8211; and why it matters &#8211; Concern about financial interest and concern about common-interest are almost perfectly opposed. There are many pieces of work that point to this: Prime people’s awareness of money, and they become more selfish, less co-operative, less trusting, and less concerned about the environment. &#8211; The alternative? Don’t ask how much it’s worth. Ask why it matters. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] identity campaigning » The Economics of Biodiversity &#8211; and why it matters &#8211; Concern about financial interest and concern about common-interest are almost perfectly opposed. There are many pieces of work that point to this: Prime people’s awareness of money, and they become more selfish, less co-operative, less trusting, and less concerned about the environment. &#8211; The alternative? Don’t ask how much it’s worth. Ask why it matters. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Death of Self-Interest Fundamentalism by Joe Brewer</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/2010/04/the-death-of-self-interest-fundamentalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2210</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 04:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

I agree that the tools of rational choice theory are very deeply ingrained in the realm of practice.  It is going to take a considerable amount of work just to get people to recognize the problems with tools like cost-benefit analysis, especially those problems having to do with how human beings make sense of the world.

At the same time, I don't want to come off as suggesting that CBA is totally wrong.  Cost-benefit does have a place where it can be used effectively.  The problems arise in how problems are conceptualized.  When thinking about systemic challenges like climate change, the issues run much deeper than weighing relative costs in the existing paradigm.  One must also critically assess the assumptions underlying the existing paradigm to see where the design flaws of the system itself exist.

This involves shifting frames to observe the deeper context - which is where one begins to see the root causes of dysfunction in the system.  Only then can various options be considered for their strategic import in the context of making decisions.

Best,

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>I agree that the tools of rational choice theory are very deeply ingrained in the realm of practice.  It is going to take a considerable amount of work just to get people to recognize the problems with tools like cost-benefit analysis, especially those problems having to do with how human beings make sense of the world.</p>
<p>At the same time, I don&#8217;t want to come off as suggesting that CBA is totally wrong.  Cost-benefit does have a place where it can be used effectively.  The problems arise in how problems are conceptualized.  When thinking about systemic challenges like climate change, the issues run much deeper than weighing relative costs in the existing paradigm.  One must also critically assess the assumptions underlying the existing paradigm to see where the design flaws of the system itself exist.</p>
<p>This involves shifting frames to observe the deeper context - which is where one begins to see the root causes of dysfunction in the system.  Only then can various options be considered for their strategic import in the context of making decisions.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Economics of Biodiversity - and why it matters by Tweets that mention identity campaigning » Blog Archive » The Economics of Biodiversity - and why it matters -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/2010/05/the-economics-of-biodiversity-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-2209</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention identity campaigning » Blog Archive » The Economics of Biodiversity - and why it matters -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 19:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Sampsa Kiianmaa, Rick Ross. Rick Ross said: identity campaigning » Blog Archive » The Economics of ... http://bit.ly/avq35K [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Death of Self-Interest Fundamentalism by David Lyons</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/2010/04/the-death-of-self-interest-fundamentalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2207</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 10:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this work fascinating but having been used such concepts as cost-benefit analysis in the transport industry and knowing how ingrained they are, I struggle to see how they might change in my lifetime.  It is tempting to think of tinkering around the edges... and we do talk of 'societal value' vaguely...but if they whole approach is wrong we have many mountains to shift.  Given the urgency of the theats facing us, we have a lot of metaphorical digging to do in a very short time.  As a transition activist I am excited by local government engagement with human centred projects.. but am still waiting to see mass take-up of the concepts.
David Lyons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this work fascinating but having been used such concepts as cost-benefit analysis in the transport industry and knowing how ingrained they are, I struggle to see how they might change in my lifetime.  It is tempting to think of tinkering around the edges&#8230; and we do talk of &#8217;societal value&#8217; vaguely&#8230;but if they whole approach is wrong we have many mountains to shift.  Given the urgency of the theats facing us, we have a lot of metaphorical digging to do in a very short time.  As a transition activist I am excited by local government engagement with human centred projects.. but am still waiting to see mass take-up of the concepts.<br />
David Lyons</p>
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		<title>Comment on Identity campaigning and cognitive policy by Tilting at Zeppelins is a Noble Crusade</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/identity-campaigning-and-cognitive-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-2199</link>
		<dc:creator>Tilting at Zeppelins is a Noble Crusade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Advertising industry (and the Propaganda machines of the world) that cognitive science techniques (deep framing) are an irresistible force, even when the targets are aware that these techniques are being used on [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ian Christie by Dilemmas of Democracy &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/ian-christie/comment-page-1/#comment-2184</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilemmas of Democracy &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the best bits was the introductory talk (and well-handled Q and A) by Ian Christie. I&#8217;d not heard of John Keane&#8217;s &#8220;monitory democracy&#8220;, for [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Meeting Environmental Challenges: The Role of Human Identity by Framing Social Space &#171; Interaction Institute for Social Change Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/identity-campaigning-the-book/comment-page-1/#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Framing Social Space &#171; Interaction Institute for Social Change Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their work Meeting Environmental Challenges: The Role of Human Identity, Kasser and Crompton address the importance of paying attention to how environmental messages and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on After Copenhagen by hrld11</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/2009/12/709/comment-page-1/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>hrld11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear is not the framing in which to get anything done. We can't reach our mental potential that way. Moderates respond to a way out that is rational. Behind every emotion there are thoughts, so emotions can direct us or be used to identify a problem and the ideas behind them, if wrong, can be corrected. Therefore emotions can be rational or irrational and both thoughts and feelings can be brought in line to yield to reason.

We need to understand our feelings first, before we can deal with the fears of moderates or conservatives. The field of Emotional Intelligence seems good for some of that along with a little Cognitive Therapy information. That is that emotions have ideas behind them that, if wrong, can be changed with reason, if we get to the thoughts. Then tested intuition guides us in how to proceed an get what is best for ourselves and the environment. 
A lot of the power of the forces in this world is that they know how to control us with emotions. It's better that we should know also, or we are not at the helm and become a subject and a victim. 
Intuition and knowledge can guide us through the most complex situations and the intuition can tell us where to get the knowledge or solve depression mostly automatically, if trained. 

Rulers have alway yielded to the people. Louis XVI and Nicholas II for instance, but the people didn't change that much and there is the problem. It has to be a global mind shift, not just on issues, but perhaps more importantly on the mind part.

I can't say much more except that switching from judgmental words to accurate descriptive ones causes a mind shift that won't quite and compassion comes with it. I think we need that kind of mind shift most of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear is not the framing in which to get anything done. We can&#8217;t reach our mental potential that way. Moderates respond to a way out that is rational. Behind every emotion there are thoughts, so emotions can direct us or be used to identify a problem and the ideas behind them, if wrong, can be corrected. Therefore emotions can be rational or irrational and both thoughts and feelings can be brought in line to yield to reason.</p>
<p>We need to understand our feelings first, before we can deal with the fears of moderates or conservatives. The field of Emotional Intelligence seems good for some of that along with a little Cognitive Therapy information. That is that emotions have ideas behind them that, if wrong, can be changed with reason, if we get to the thoughts. Then tested intuition guides us in how to proceed an get what is best for ourselves and the environment.<br />
A lot of the power of the forces in this world is that they know how to control us with emotions. It&#8217;s better that we should know also, or we are not at the helm and become a subject and a victim.<br />
Intuition and knowledge can guide us through the most complex situations and the intuition can tell us where to get the knowledge or solve depression mostly automatically, if trained. </p>
<p>Rulers have alway yielded to the people. Louis XVI and Nicholas II for instance, but the people didn&#8217;t change that much and there is the problem. It has to be a global mind shift, not just on issues, but perhaps more importantly on the mind part.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say much more except that switching from judgmental words to accurate descriptive ones causes a mind shift that won&#8217;t quite and compassion comes with it. I think we need that kind of mind shift most of all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Whiff of Social Engineering? by Jody Boehnert</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/2010/01/a-whiff-of-social-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Boehnert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC’s ‘Ethical Man’ Justin Rowlatt ‘Are Environmentalists Bad for the Planet?’ fails to recognize that a certain set of values are deeply embedded into the content of his radio show, the BBC, and all media/communications. In fact, Rowlatt himself plays as a particularly strong role as a social engineer / cultural influencer, reinforcing a set of values (i.e. the status quo in this case), by misrepresenting discourses in environmental ethics and using his platform as a public intellectual ('the ethical man') to mock environmentalists with a social conscience. 

The BBC could hardly have made a more shallow attempt to engage with contemporary environmental crises. It does led one to wonder if in the upper echelons of the BBC they make strategic decisions to circumvent important public debate by putting the least sympathetic individuals into important roles. From a perspective that acknowledges that all media is political, the show certainly does a good job of reinforcing conservative and elitist politics.

Justin Rowlatt can ignore his own role in perpetuating a deeply unsustainable practice because his is the dominant ideology - so it seems 'natural'. Nevertheless, these hegemonic ideological assumptions are deeply problematic - environmentally and socially. Individuals such as Rowlatt can carve out a good career for themselves by aligning themselves with elites against all those troublesome environments who want social change as well as lower carbon emissions. What is shocking is that this is given a platform on public radio. It strikes me that the 'ethical man' is some kind of ironic joke, that's not funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC’s ‘Ethical Man’ Justin Rowlatt ‘Are Environmentalists Bad for the Planet?’ fails to recognize that a certain set of values are deeply embedded into the content of his radio show, the BBC, and all media/communications. In fact, Rowlatt himself plays as a particularly strong role as a social engineer / cultural influencer, reinforcing a set of values (i.e. the status quo in this case), by misrepresenting discourses in environmental ethics and using his platform as a public intellectual (&#8217;the ethical man&#8217;) to mock environmentalists with a social conscience. </p>
<p>The BBC could hardly have made a more shallow attempt to engage with contemporary environmental crises. It does led one to wonder if in the upper echelons of the BBC they make strategic decisions to circumvent important public debate by putting the least sympathetic individuals into important roles. From a perspective that acknowledges that all media is political, the show certainly does a good job of reinforcing conservative and elitist politics.</p>
<p>Justin Rowlatt can ignore his own role in perpetuating a deeply unsustainable practice because his is the dominant ideology - so it seems &#8216;natural&#8217;. Nevertheless, these hegemonic ideological assumptions are deeply problematic - environmentally and socially. Individuals such as Rowlatt can carve out a good career for themselves by aligning themselves with elites against all those troublesome environments who want social change as well as lower carbon emissions. What is shocking is that this is given a platform on public radio. It strikes me that the &#8216;ethical man&#8217; is some kind of ironic joke, that&#8217;s not funny.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real reason and false reason: where progressives fail by santiago Gowland</title>
		<link>http://www.identitycampaigning.org/2010/02/real-reason-and-false-reason-where-progressives-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-2124</link>
		<dc:creator>santiago Gowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to have taken almost a year to come back. I was surfing the web and crashed this gate again and saw comments from Jules, Tom and Alaistair... all very interesting. The issue is complex obviously. And that's why it's interesting. The landscape is full of contradictions like the one Tom pointed out between Dove and that particular ad from Axe. But I am still convinced that we are ushering into a new era of marketing where a new space for brands is emerging. Brands that are able to untap consumer democracy and tackle global challenges that very few NGOs, Nations or Multilateral organizations can tackle alone. These challenges require the creation of new market mechanisms; the development of new ways of doing business; the convergence of values and economic motivations. The Marine Stewardship Council that Unilever developed together with WWF and others is a good example where you need companies, NGOs, governments and, the most important ingredient: "conscientious consumers". When these actors join up you can see a snow ball effect shifting a paradigm. 
There are plenty of examples of brands contributing to raise awareness and inspire changes in behavior for good. 
Let's get together for lunch and discuss these issues. My email is tatgow@gmail.com if you are interested to spend an hour or so reflecting on this. Jules, John, Tom, let me know if you are interested.
Santiago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to have taken almost a year to come back. I was surfing the web and crashed this gate again and saw comments from Jules, Tom and Alaistair&#8230; all very interesting. The issue is complex obviously. And that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s interesting. The landscape is full of contradictions like the one Tom pointed out between Dove and that particular ad from Axe. But I am still convinced that we are ushering into a new era of marketing where a new space for brands is emerging. Brands that are able to untap consumer democracy and tackle global challenges that very few NGOs, Nations or Multilateral organizations can tackle alone. These challenges require the creation of new market mechanisms; the development of new ways of doing business; the convergence of values and economic motivations. The Marine Stewardship Council that Unilever developed together with WWF and others is a good example where you need companies, NGOs, governments and, the most important ingredient: &#8220;conscientious consumers&#8221;. When these actors join up you can see a snow ball effect shifting a paradigm.<br />
There are plenty of examples of brands contributing to raise awareness and inspire changes in behavior for good.<br />
Let&#8217;s get together for lunch and discuss these issues. My email is <a href="mailto:tatgow@gmail.com">tatgow@gmail.com</a> if you are interested to spend an hour or so reflecting on this. Jules, John, Tom, let me know if you are interested.<br />
Santiago</p>
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